tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19838051.post7920608525398746038..comments2024-01-28T22:16:50.852-06:00Comments on Mr. Dilettante’s Neighborhood: Vikings to Arden Hills? XXVI - Talking Loud and Saying NothingMr. Dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13920907647566015611noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19838051.post-89822463924258527132011-12-01T10:25:13.586-06:002011-12-01T10:25:13.586-06:00I just think it is silly to give any corporation t...I just think it is silly to give any corporation tax dollars with the one hand and then collect tax dollars with the other. I want the State's taxpayers completely OUT of the Vikings business, and you don't do that by having both hands in their pockets. Lots of mischief happens in such positions. <br /><br />J. EwingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19838051.post-84226671578488102492011-11-30T23:10:26.225-06:002011-11-30T23:10:26.225-06:00Gino the Lakers in LA were also wrong at one time....Gino the Lakers in LA were also wrong at one time. Are they now named after Toluca Lake?<br /><br />I get a kick out of TIF strategies. By having them not pay taxes, isn't it the atthing as having the public cough up money if these non-taxpayers still cost the state with revenue expenses which they most certainly would?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19838051.post-44870895555843006012011-11-30T19:50:31.586-06:002011-11-30T19:50:31.586-06:00tell them if they move to LA we will have to chang...tell them if they move to LA we will have to change the name to Mojados if they want to fit with the regional culture.Ginohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606046924332159076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19838051.post-24028246540339308452011-11-30T13:34:56.698-06:002011-11-30T13:34:56.698-06:00i dont want the Vikings here in SoCal.
that would ...<i>i dont want the Vikings here in SoCal.<br />that would be wrong.</i><br /><br />I'll be sure to let them know, Gino. ;)Mr. Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13920907647566015611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19838051.post-31973152120533865112011-11-30T13:27:51.328-06:002011-11-30T13:27:51.328-06:00i dont want the Vikings here in SoCal.
that would ...i dont want the Vikings here in SoCal.<br />that would be wrong.Ginohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606046924332159076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19838051.post-19949279303459823932011-11-30T12:46:13.384-06:002011-11-30T12:46:13.384-06:00JE,
I don't think anyone would object if the ...JE,<br /><br />I don't think anyone would object if the Vikings could find a way to finance the stadium without raising taxes. I'm skeptical that the quasi-TIF model they've floated would work, though.Mr. Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13920907647566015611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19838051.post-79507166964580386772011-11-30T12:36:38.117-06:002011-11-30T12:36:38.117-06:00The problem for any owner trying to move (or threa...<i>The problem for any owner trying to move (or threatening to move) to LA is that despite all the hype, neither proposed stadium has been approved. While the NFL has no problem moving a team to LA with an unfinished stadium in the works, they're not eager to move a team to the Rose Bowl without a guarantee that a new stadium will be built.</i><br /><br />I'd agree with that, FR. We're not at that point yet, but I suspect that Wilf's patience is running out.Mr. Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13920907647566015611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19838051.post-23567474800624798982011-11-30T12:26:19.836-06:002011-11-30T12:26:19.836-06:00Jacksonville has a lease that runs until 2030 and ...<i>Jacksonville has a lease that runs until 2030 and has exceptionally punitive provisions for breaking the lease</i><br /><br />I believe the cost of breaking the lease runs about $60 million - a cost that would be quickly and easily offset by revenues generated by a move to LA. <br /><br />The problem for any owner trying to move (or threatening to move) to LA is that despite all the hype, neither proposed stadium has been approved. While the NFL has no problem moving a team to LA with an unfinished stadium in the works, they're not eager to move a team to the Rose Bowl without a guarantee that a new stadium will be built.First Ringernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19838051.post-23625694950737173922011-11-30T11:34:01.277-06:002011-11-30T11:34:01.277-06:00What about the idea recently floated by the Viking...What about the idea recently floated by the Vikings, to replace the public financing portion of the stadium with an income tax break for the team and its personnel? They say they could completely pay for their own stadium, given that, and I say, "hooray"! I've always been willing to give them a tax break, by eliminating all taxes on their specific activities like the memorabilia tax. Also, giving them a property tax break for 20 years or so would be just standard operating procedure for a state government looking to entice a new industry to come here or an existing industry to stay here. <br /><br />So long as all these tax breaks don't result in the rest of our taxes going up, I would be perfectly happy to just get the taxpayers completely out of the NFL's business in Minnesota.<br /><br />J. EwingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19838051.post-17076680651936477342011-11-30T10:26:39.059-06:002011-11-30T10:26:39.059-06:00and the current/old owner has already said that he...and the current/old owner has already said that he ignored all calls coming from the west coast.<br /><br />a move to LA, not gonna happen, although they are in a lousy market.Ginohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606046924332159076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19838051.post-2245524307860374512011-11-30T09:24:24.865-06:002011-11-30T09:24:24.865-06:00The Los Angeles market will eventually be fed, and...<i>The Los Angeles market will eventually be fed, and if Jacksonville moves, it takes away the primary negotiation chip that Wilf can use regarding a possible movement of the team.</i><br /><br />Yes, L.A. will be fed, but Jacksonville has a lease that runs until 2030 and has exceptionally punitive provisions for breaking the lease. The new owners have already indicated that they will keep the team there.Mr. Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13920907647566015611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19838051.post-26052137820902420732011-11-30T09:05:20.446-06:002011-11-30T09:05:20.446-06:00Minnesota did catch one break with the sale of the...Minnesota did catch one break with the sale of the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Los Angeles market will eventually be fed, and if Jacksonville moves, it takes away the primary negotiation chip that Wilf can use regarding a possible movement of the team.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19838051.post-30064246191385422432011-11-30T05:15:25.726-06:002011-11-30T05:15:25.726-06:00why cant MN buy the team, like green bay bought th...<i>why cant MN buy the team, like green bay bought theirs?</i><br /><br />Because the NFL won't allow it. The Packers are grandfathered in with their ownership structure, which is completely unique in professional sport.Mr. Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13920907647566015611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19838051.post-15984171745249266052011-11-29T22:42:21.280-06:002011-11-29T22:42:21.280-06:00why cant MN buy the team, like green bay bought th...why cant MN buy the team, like green bay bought theirs?<br /><br />just throwing it out there...Ginohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606046924332159076noreply@blogger.com