Tuesday, January 05, 2010

Gino's Observation

I made reference yesterday to some comments from Willie Brown, the one-time majordomo of the California legislature, which prompted this typically pithy response from our friend Gino, who has the pleasure of being a Californian:

willie brown, though correct, has left out some of the stuff. CA pays out more money to those who are not working than those who are working.

with retirement at 50 for many workers, they recieve almost the same as their last salary(80-90%), plus the primo health benefits the private sector could never bargain for, and they're living til their 80's.

for some, their death would be a public service.
And right on schedule, someone else has noticed this problem. Kenneth Anderson at the Volokh Conspiracy blog notes the following from the Financial Times:

Estimates of aggregate funding requirement of the US pension system have ranged between $400bn and $500bn, but Mr Kramer’s analysis concluded that public funds would need to find more than $2,000bn to meet future pension obligations.
That's $2 trillion, folks. With a "T." A 2 with a vapor trail of zeroes following it. Gulp.

So who's going to pay that? Anderson wonders if anyone will:

Two trillion dollars? One question about these obligations is whether taxpayers will stick around to pay them, or instead will vote with their feet. (“Vote with their feet” is something that has been discussed in various ways at VC — as an aspect of a federal system and states with their own laws.) Many of these pension obligations have been incurred by municipalities and others by states, and in some cases the obligations are intertwined. But what happens if voters-taxpayers move out?

The assumption has long been that taxpayers are stuck, on account of jobs and other circumstance. But query whether that is necessarily true as the baby boom generation retires. In that case, it might find itself far more mobile, in circumstances where rising taxes at every level make relocation a more valuable decision at the margin. For that matter, if otherwise desirable locales manage to tax their businesses away, will the baby boomers’ kids and grandkids have reason ever to locate in places that lack jobs? They might have been raised there — but would they go back?

Anderson is describing California today. And as he notes later on, people are moving with their feet and have been. Ask a Coloradan if they've seen some new California neighbors in recent years.

The day of reckoning is coming, sooner than most of us might realize.

3 comments:

Gino said...

thansk for the highlight, mr d.

there is so much to this, it moves beyond taxes even.
any employment that is beyond free-market pressures, like water and power, live,retire and refuse to die much the same as 'tax' funded employees.

ex: my water bill. i pay $2 a day in service charges before i turn the tap.
thats right. if i use no water for the month, my bill is $60.

this isnt due to the supposed scarcity of water in CA. that is handled with the commodity charges.

this money is to pay for all those folks who dont work for the utility any more.

we are nickled and dimed, at 9% sales tax rate (more in some locales) all day long. since its not 'taxes' folks dont notice as readily.

sure, salaries here would blow your mind when compared to other places (my exact job in AR only pays 65% of what i get here), but you aint allowed to keep any of it.

i ran the numbers very thoroughly when i was moving to AR. I was actually better off financially with the lower income, with more expendable cash in my pocket, after all taxes (fed, state, local).
and more free time too becuase i'd only be doing 40hrs a week.

unfortunatley, a flip of a ford ranger changed all that.

Night Writer said...

if you drive a car, - I'll tax the street,
if you try to sit, - I'll tax your seat,
if you get too cold, - I'll tax the heat,
if you take a walk, - I'll tax your feet.


How far do your feet have to take you in order to get away? St. Paul mayor Chris Coleman said in his inauguration the other day that the city of St. Paul needs to be considered a regional entity, requiring regional "solutions". In other words, "We've hosed ourselves by driving off residents and businesses with one-party rule, higher taxes and crime, declining services and misbegotten "do-good-ism" regulations that make it impossible for people to buy and fix-up the abandoned homes that make up a growing portion of the city's housing stock, and the only way we can survive is to make people outside of the city prop us up."

Call it the "hoofin' it" tax to penalize those who vote with their feet rather than stick out their hands.

Mr. D said...

How far do your feet have to take you in order to get away?

The name of the town is Galt's Gulch.