Tuesday, January 29, 2013

Thrifty, Brave, Clean and Reverent -- Not that there's anything wrong with that

So the Boy Scouts may be changing their views on gays:

Gay-rights groups were elated Monday after the Boy Scouts of America announced that it was considering dropping its long-standing national policy of disallowing open homosexuals from participating in its activities, but traditional-family groups were quick to condemn the shift.

If adopted next week, the change would permit local BSA organizations to decide “how to address this issue” at their level.
This might seem like a big deal, but there's less here than meets the eye. The key is the second graf -- local BSA organizations get to decide the issue. Each scout troop has a sponsoring organization, usually a local church. That means the church that sponsors the troop gets to decide if they want to open things up to gay scout leaders. A lot of churches, probably most of them, won't do that. The reason for the ban is that the Scouts had a big problem with sexual abuse, similar to what the Catholic Church has gone through. Was that an overreaction? Perhaps, but making the change and instituting exceptionally strict rules about contact between adult leaders and scouts has really cut down on the problem. As a Scout parent and adult leader, I have to retake the training every two years.

As for gay Scouts, well, there have always been gay Scouts. It's likely not going to change the nature of the organization that much if the BSA acknowledges that.

We are a Scouting family. My son started out as a Tiger Cub Scout in the first grade and he's stayed with it ever since; he's been a leader in his troop for the last two years. It's been a great experience for him and he's become a good outdoorsman as a result, which is something that would not have happened otherwise -- my idea of roughing it is a hotel that doesn't offer continental breakfast.

It's been a challenge to keep boys in Scouting, since there are any number of distractions along the way. Of the 15-18 kids who started out in Scouting with my son, maybe 4 of them are still active. I lost interest in Scouting when I was a kid and it's something that I regret today. The lessons and practical skills that young men learn in Scouting are lifelong and utterly useful. The politics surrounding the organization aren't especially useful. This change probably won't end the controversies and criticism that Scouting faces in any event. We'll find out.

10 comments:

GabbroGuy said...

You are really trotting out the gay-pedophilia equivalence? Really?!?!? So much for being mentally awake.

Mr. D said...

You are really trotting out the gay-pedophilia equivalence? Really?!?!?

No, I'm not. Here is what I wrote. I'll add emphasis so you don't miss the point:

The reason for the ban is that the Scouts had a big problem with sexual abuse, similar to what the Catholic Church has gone through. Was that an overreaction? Perhaps, but making the change and instituting exceptionally strict rules about contact between adult leaders and scouts has really cut down on the problem. As a Scout parent and adult leader, I have to retake the training every two years.

I specifically didn't "trot out the gay-pedophilia equivalence." I simply described what BSA did to (mostly) solve a real problem. Training and rules about one-on-one contact between adult leaders and scouts applies to everyone, male and female. Everyone has to take the course. The equivalence you're so worried about doesn't enter into my analysis of the matter. Sheesh.

Mr. D said...

One other thing -- I also wrote this:

As for gay Scouts, well, there have always been gay Scouts. It's likely not going to change the nature of the organization that much if the BSA acknowledges that.

Try not to let your knee jerk so much, dude.

K-Rod said...

I really don't think there should be any openly and pointed conversations about any type of sex or sexual endeavors for the BSA.

Why must gays publicize their sex lives all the time?

Anonymous said...

K-Rod, Identity.

Brian said...

Mr D. didn't conflate pedophilia with homosexuality, but the BSA did (at least implicitly) with their policy and their stated reasons for it. It would be good to see that corrected.

Straights "publicize our sex lives" all the time. When you refer to your wife or girlfriend, you are "publicizing" exactly as much as a man who acknowledges his boyfriend or husband.

--Brian
Tiger Cub-Life Scout, c. 1985-1991
Senior Patrol Leader
Order of the Arrow, Egwa Tawa Dee Lodge

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Mr. D said...

Thanks, Brian — the initial commenter has been here before and he tends to issue hit-and-run pronouncements like that instead of engaging in what is actually written.

And the “burgeoning heterosexuality” is a reason that Scouts lose interest. From what I’ve witnessed with my son’s troop, the primary reasons are usually jobs, varsity sports and video games, though not necessarily in that order. Oh, and one other reason — advancing through the ranks is hard work and a lot of teenaged boys aren’t into that.

Gino said...

what about lesbians as den mothers?

my pack started with 6 dens. my dad was only man to lead one for about the first year.

i did it for few, then a yr or so of boyscouts and moved on...